Hmm played eve since red moon rising....Stopped about a year ago.. Eve is a basic game of rock paper sissors...complex not really....Speadsheets with pretty pictures..you can make it as complex as you want but its really all in your head....Sandboxes are like that. I played for years because of the people in my corps on TS...they made it fun...Try playing Eve without some sort of VOIP...With 2 account you can play for free....Just not really worth the time... case in point...all the parts for a PVP tengu in system spread over 3 bases...40 min spent flying between bases to assemble...fun...